3 comments

  • Waterluvian 3 hours ago
    Playdate feels like a Louis Vuitton bag in that you buy it not because you need a bag but because you want a fancy luxury good that feels good for you to own. I’m not criticizing it, though. I celebrate that we have options. When I got my kid a Scratch + JS game dev handheld I found a dozen options with varying pros and cons.

    But the petty, small part of me has this itch where I’m unnecessarily concerned that Playdate might actually believe it’s not just a Louis Vuitton bag and that it actually is a sensibly practical purchase. I think I’m sensitive to the desire for things to be honest about what they are.

    • gamerdonkey 1 hour ago
      I see the Playdate as further from a Louis Vuitton bag and closer to hockey gear you might buy to partake in an amateur adult league.

      It's not practical in the terms that you can use it to plow fields and feed your family, but it's also not entirely a status symbol. The money spent allows you to participate in an activity you enjoy that may or may not have a social aspect.

    • jonathanlydall 2 hours ago
      From a purely utilitarian point of view, the price of a Louis Vuitton bag is unjustifiable.

      But from a social signalling perspective the price makes sense, it’s a way to show that you have lots of money.

      Anyone who would need to “save up” to buy such an overpriced item (even if it’s “pretty”) is merely trying to fake being in the “I’m very rich club” which if they aren’t really, they could probably do with spending their money a bit more wisely.

      For a Playdate, the cost is high for what it does, probably because it doesn’t have economy of scale compared to more popular hardware, but it’s still at a price point that’s affordable to an average professional, compared to a Louis Vuitton bag which is not.

      • Waterluvian 2 hours ago
        But isn’t the scale not really relevant? There’s entire classes of luxury that are exactly the same thing to people who can own an LV bag. Saving up to buy a faberge helicopter or whatever it is.

        I’m not fully sure how to articulate the thought. But it’s that looking at specific instance details distract from looking at the pattern in the abstract. Or that the first order costs don’t really tell the story. It’s the second order: percent markup for practical vs. prestige that tells a story.

        • jonathanlydall 1 hour ago
          It’s a fair point to raise and also occurred to me shortly after writing my comment.

          While $200 might be within my disposable income bracket, it wouldn’t be for a lot of people, who may also see my blowing that much money (to show off to friends) just as vain as I would view someone buying a LV bag.

          But also keep in mind that the percentage of people who have enough disposable income for a LV bag is tiny compared to those who could buy a Playdate, so I wouldn’t say it’s quite the same.

    • garciansmith 13 minutes ago
      I think the makers of the Playdate have always been pretty clear about what the console is about. And I'm not sure you could ever consider a video game console a "practical" purchase. You never need to play video games.

      Video games are always shaped by the hardware they are played on, but there used to be way, way more variance. Hardware limitations forced devs to make choices that resulted in interesting mechanics, interesting ways to tell stories. Which means there are some odd and interesting games on Playdate that probably wouldn't have existed otherwise. That's why I got one anyhow.

      ...Also it was $170 and came with 20 games when I got it (granted, the price has gone up since). I don't get how that can be considered a luxury good. I get that could be a good amount of money to some people, but compared to other video games, I don't think it is.

      • Waterluvian 3 minutes ago
        > I don't get how that can be considered a luxury good.

        > You never need to play video games.

        This is basically what defines a luxury good.

    • steveBK123 2 hours ago
      There's a big difference in level of Veblen between a silly $200 gadget and a $3k handbag.
      • FLeXMurphy 2 hours ago
        To whom?
        • johnnyanmac 2 hours ago
          well the signals are completely reversed. A playdate is $230. a PS5 is what? $600 dollars now? Playdate games range from $5-20 (and most will usually fall around $10), your typical console game will be $30-80+, before including expansion packs.

          A louis Vitton bag is partially a "I'm rich with good taste" signal. Is a Playdate supposed to be an "I'm poor but have good taste" signal?

    • righthand 2 hours ago
      The same could be said for an Apple laptop.
  • japhib 35 minutes ago
    After developing & releasing 2 commercial games, and playing around with different game engines/frameworks over the years, I’m convinced PICO-8 is absolutely the best platform for a hobbyist game dev.

    Its constraints steer you clear automatically of the biggest unsung villain of hobby game development: scope creep. (Wanting to make your game multiplayer is a variant of that.)

    Its inability to import external assets forces you to engage with things outside your main strength, like making art/music/sfx, and the fact that everything is so lo-fi means unskilled art/music/sfx still looks & sounds decent.

    Anyways, I highly recommend pico-8 to anyone looking to get into gamedev, or anyone frustrated with the big engines (Unity/Unreal/Godot etc)

  • xyzzy_plugh 3 hours ago
    This line in the closing epilogue really resonates with me:

    > It’s one thing to revisit those old machines just to relive your own years of (likely imagined) glory, but yet another to see people see them as inspiration: to encounter computers that were simpler, unencumbered, unenshittified, and with software you could understand, remix, and own.

    I feel as though we have strayed so far from this in modern times and yet it seems to be beyond nostalgia, but firming up to actually be ideal. The idea that your personal computing experience is truly malleable.

    We're at a crossroads and where we end up a few years from now, either a personal computing dystopia or utopia, is really up in the air.

    We're long overdue for an explosion of new forms of truly liberated personal computing.

    • lukan 3 hours ago
      "I feel as though we have strayed so far from this in modern times"

      I don't know, some years ago I just accepted the system level UI problem's as they are and at most made a suggestion somewhere - and now I can just point claude towards it and achieve more or less exactly what I want that same day. So I am closer to a system that is personalised to my needs.

    • steveBK123 2 hours ago
      The Big AI Lab LLM Industrial Complex does seem a pull back to the era of thin clients & thick servers. You will own nothing.