12,000-year-old Göbeklitepe burials explain scattered bones

(archaeologymag.com)

72 points | by yusufaytas 2 days ago

5 comments

  • culi 42 minutes ago
    More evidence for David Graeber and David Wengrow's reading of the site.

    Between Göbekli Tepe, Poverty Point, Cahokia, and other sites we have pretty good evidence of complex urban societies that did not rely on agriculture. And even in these few sites we have abundant evidence of diversity of social structures from radically egalitarian to hierarchical

    The linear narrative of the evolution of human societies is dead

    • lumost 11 minutes ago
      Out of curiosity couldn’t this also mean that we are missing the agriculture? Or that the practices they used were very different from today.
  • moron4hire 14 minutes ago
    And how is this going to help a team of crack scientists at The Smithsonian solve a modern day murder while also navigating the difficulties of having an intimate social life as a professional in DC?
  • MadrasTh0rn 3 hours ago
    Was subfloor burial common in Neolithic?
    • treis 3 minutes ago
      Seems like you'd quickly run out of floor and/or end up with a lot of bodies in one place. And are you chipping up your plaster floor every time someone dies? I'm pretty skeptical that this makes sense as a practice. Seems far more likely that a building was built over a forgotten grave.
    • throwaway27448 2 hours ago
      Estimating "common" is quite difficult, but given that there are pre-colonial aboriginal australian burial sites, we can estimate that it either can be traced to Africa or is sufficiently common to not be surprising. There is even evidence (not proof) of neanderthal burial rituals, fwiw.
      • gradus_ad 2 hours ago
        I suspect it has to do with our advanced capacity for emotion. The death of a loved one is so difficult to bear, having their body sitting out in the open in a rotting state would be horrific. Burying serves the dual purpose of hiding their decomposition and keeping them close to the community.
        • ASalazarMX 1 hour ago
          Also, disposing of corpses means less diseases around. It's possible that communities that carelessly left the dead around unwittingly opted out of the genetic pool.
        • mohamedkoubaa 1 hour ago
          I think it's likely associated with desert cultures since vegetation nucleates around burial sites due to access to organic material.
          • pfdietz 1 hour ago
            Fun fact: forensic teams locate buried bodies by looking for vegetation that grows above them. There's a lot of fertilizer there.
  • itopaloglu83 4 hours ago
    Some people were quick to jump on the gun and call it a human sacrifice site, I’m glad that they’re all proven wrong now.
    • tastyfreeze 3 hours ago
      The phrase is "jump the gun" or "jumped the gun" as in a fault start in a race started with a gun.
      • iphonecorridor 1 hour ago
        The phrase is “false start.”
        • scooke 58 minutes ago
          "False start" refers specifically to races, or an effort that was not sincere or well thought out. "My jumping the gun" is also a race term, but also means coming to an incorrect conclusion based on insufficient evidence (when it's insufficiency is apparent).
    • hinkley 3 hours ago
      I always thought that 'ceremonial room' looked more like a sauna than a sacrificial pit. It reminded me of the Roman ruins at Bath more than anything else.
  • jamesforestwest 3 hours ago
    That's a much less romantic explanation than the skull cult stuff
    • scun 29 minutes ago
      We tried penis cult but there were complaints
    • throwaway27448 2 hours ago
      The point of naming it a "skull cult" is really just pointing out people found human remains to be important—something largely true today too, and hardly more romantic than our own understanding of burial.