7 comments

  • soltanov 1 hour ago
    Impressive research, but the countermeasure is fifty years old: adequate shielding. The authors did not find a fundamental flaw in cameras; they found cheap plastic enclosures.
    • terribleperson 42 minutes ago
      I wonder if that shielding would show up in WiFi imaging techniques.
    • SubiculumCode 1 hour ago
      True...but I suppose such shielding may make it harder to disguise...maybe...I don't know. In any case, I wonder how it would do in noisy environments (a couple of computers and phones in the room).
    • mike_d 48 minutes ago
      Exactly. Professional grade equipment already has extensive shielding to mitigate non-linear junction detectors.
      • nomilk 34 minutes ago
        Would a typical airbnb perv have the know-how to produce a professional grade setup? E.g. they'd only have to screw up once to be detectable by this system.

        A consumer-grade device to perform a quick run over my hotel/airbnb that detects 90% (or even 50%) of hidden cameras would be useful because the status quo (doing nothing) detects ~0%.

  • someguyiguess 30 minutes ago
    Eye of Sauron to counter Palantir. Makes sense.
  • ranger_danger 1 hour ago
    The speaker in the video was extremely difficult for me to understand but the idea seems quite clever.

    What I'm most surprised about is just how well it actually works... I did not think such EM fluctuations would be usably detectable from several meters away... but I suppose this may be moreso due to improper/lack of shielding in the first place, which I would think should be easily fixable in most products to mitigate this type of detection.

    • nomilk 41 minutes ago
      Youtube subtitles can help in situations like this. Although they're not able to understand perfectly either. Example (1m0s) speaker means to say 'they can be disguised' but subtitles are:

      > they can be disgusted

      I think the speaker genuinely gets that word wrong; a malapropism (as opposed to the auto-generated English subtitles getting it wrong).

  • Jackobrien 1 hour ago
    This feels very impactful for national security and corporate espionage.
  • rsamtravis 2 hours ago
    Okay who can build me one of these?
  • akoboldfrying 1 hour ago
    Really interesting concept! I would not have thought of EMR variation as a usable side channel for this.

    IIUC, the EMR increases following scene changes (like a light being turned on or off) are a result of the fact that video codecs try hard to compress similar images. So, I speculate that an "extremely bad codec" that simply dumps raw pixels to storage would not produce such variation, and therefore remain undetectable?

    • fwlr 18 minutes ago
      Potentially, although raw pixel data presents its own challenges - one 1080p60 camera will fill a terabyte of storage in less than an hour.

      A better mitigation might be to take a leaf from cryptography and develop a constant-time codec.

  • bezusfaphoon 1 hour ago
    phenomenal